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	<title>Comments on: Farewell to Some Alleluia</title>
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		<title>By: Lutheran Carnival LXIV &#171; Living Sermons</title>
		<link>http://necessaryroughness.org/archives/1371#comment-13717</link>
		<dc:creator>Lutheran Carnival LXIV &#171; Living Sermons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dan continues the discussion on Advent. He relates an explanation for the removal of Alleluia&#8217;s from Matins and Vespers for Advent. He spells it out at Necessary Roughness! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norman, thanks for stopping by.

Researching this has been interesting.  The LSB in its Divine Services and prayer offices substitutes out Alleluias in Advent. It makes sense to me because for some of us Advent is considered a penitential season, less penitential than Lent, of course.

Digging a little deeper, such as the resources at Lex Orandi, one finds that Dr. Piepkorn's &lt;a href="http://www.lexorandi.org/piepkorn.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Conduct of the Service&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; states that the Alleluia is only removed during Lent. Given this I am now curious as to &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; the change occurred for Advent in the LSB, but I imagine the &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; would not be a shock. I don't have any older hymnals to check this against, nor do I have an Altar Book.

Thank you for the info about the ELH -- "The Church" in the third paragraph now appears to be an overgeneralization.

Pastor Snyder of &lt;a href="http://www.xrysostom.com/askthepastor/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ask the Pastor&lt;/a&gt; has &lt;a href="http://www.xrysostom.com/askthepastor/columns/0075.txt" rel="nofollow"&gt;interesting commentary&lt;/a&gt; regarding the practice for Lent that easily goes for Advent:&lt;blockquote&gt;Should it be done? That is in the realm of freedom under the Gospel. Many Lutherans do omit the Alleluia during Lent, often using a burial service such as the one you mention. Martin Luther would probably have disagreed. He wrote, "Nor is it proper to distinguish Lent, Holy Week, or Good Friday from other days, lest we seem to mock and ridicule Christ with half of a mass and the one part of a sacrament. For the Alleluia is the perpetual voice of the church, just as the memorial of His passion and victory is perpetual."&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norman, thanks for stopping by.</p>
<p>Researching this has been interesting.  The LSB in its Divine Services and prayer offices substitutes out Alleluias in Advent. It makes sense to me because for some of us Advent is considered a penitential season, less penitential than Lent, of course.</p>
<p>Digging a little deeper, such as the resources at Lex Orandi, one finds that Dr. Piepkorn&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lexorandi.org/piepkorn.html" rel="nofollow"><em>The Conduct of the Service</em></a> states that the Alleluia is only removed during Lent. Given this I am now curious as to <em>how</em> the change occurred for Advent in the LSB, but I imagine the <em>why</em> would not be a shock. I don&#8217;t have any older hymnals to check this against, nor do I have an Altar Book.</p>
<p>Thank you for the info about the ELH &#8212; &#8220;The Church&#8221; in the third paragraph now appears to be an overgeneralization.</p>
<p>Pastor Snyder of <a href="http://www.xrysostom.com/askthepastor/" rel="nofollow">Ask the Pastor</a> has <a href="http://www.xrysostom.com/askthepastor/columns/0075.txt" rel="nofollow">interesting commentary</a> regarding the practice for Lent that easily goes for Advent:<br />
<blockquote>Should it be done? That is in the realm of freedom under the Gospel. Many Lutherans do omit the Alleluia during Lent, often using a burial service such as the one you mention. Martin Luther would probably have disagreed. He wrote, &#8220;Nor is it proper to distinguish Lent, Holy Week, or Good Friday from other days, lest we seem to mock and ridicule Christ with half of a mass and the one part of a sacrament. For the Alleluia is the perpetual voice of the church, just as the memorial of His passion and victory is perpetual.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Norman Teigen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Teigen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your post with interest because I had never before heard of the 'Alleluia' not sung during Advent.  I checked my hymnbook (ELH) and note that in the Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the 'Alleluia' is not sung during Lent but no such direction is made for Advent.  (I've been a member of the ELS for 51 of my 65 years).

So, without trying to be contentious, I did re-read your post and found that your words to your children did not convince me that the 'Alleluia' should be omitted during the Advent season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post with interest because I had never before heard of the &#8216;Alleluia&#8217; not sung during Advent.  I checked my hymnbook (ELH) and note that in the Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the &#8216;Alleluia&#8217; is not sung during Lent but no such direction is made for Advent.  (I&#8217;ve been a member of the ELS for 51 of my 65 years).</p>
<p>So, without trying to be contentious, I did re-read your post and found that your words to your children did not convince me that the &#8216;Alleluia&#8217; should be omitted during the Advent season.</p>
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