Comments on: Cedillo vs. HHS, Part 1 http://necessaryroughness.org/2007/06/cedillo-vs-hhs-part-1/ two kingdoms, hundreds of thousands of miles Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:16:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Linda http://necessaryroughness.org/2007/06/cedillo-vs-hhs-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12660 Linda Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:24:29 +0000 http://necessaryroughness.org/archives/1169#comment-12660 "the causes of autism are not yet known" and without investigations of this sort they many never be known. The numbers are staggering and the assistance is so lacking. I speak this from experience. I see my daughter exhaust every avenue possible to get help for her child. Until we change the paradigm that autism is behavioral and not medical, we may never make to progress to help these individuals become the highly productive adults that they could possibly be. I have to be very careful, my granddaughter is so special to me, just as she is, but I want so much more for her in the future. May God's blessings and interventions be on each family struggling with autism and the treatments available. And, by the way, my granddaughter's symptoms and regression did become apparent after childhood vaccinations, so no matter what the ruling is, there will be many of us who will continue to place the blame on greedy pharmaceutical companies. “the causes of autism are not yet known” and without investigations of this sort they many never be known. The numbers are staggering and the assistance is so lacking. I speak this from experience. I see my daughter exhaust every avenue possible to get help for her child. Until we change the paradigm that autism is behavioral and not medical, we may never make to progress to help these individuals become the highly productive adults that they could possibly be. I have to be very careful, my granddaughter is so special to me, just as she is, but I want so much more for her in the future. May God’s blessings and interventions be on each family struggling with autism and the treatments available. And, by the way, my granddaughter’s symptoms and regression did become apparent after childhood vaccinations, so no matter what the ruling is, there will be many of us who will continue to place the blame on greedy pharmaceutical companies.

]]> By: Dan http://necessaryroughness.org/2007/06/cedillo-vs-hhs-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12659 Dan Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:33:44 +0000 http://necessaryroughness.org/archives/1169#comment-12659 Having read the first day and the first half of the second day, the autism-thimerosal connection seems weak, but there is good evidence that the MMR vaccine really affected this child. This may not be (again, I haven't read it all yet) a good case for testing autism and vaccines because the MMR seems to have done so much damage on its own. I'll have to read further testimony. I don't think the case will be thrown out, if for the MMR stuff alone. Dr. Aposhian's work was in my opinion fairly questioned, and he will need help from immunologists and others to substantiate some of his claims. Having read the first day and the first half of the second day, the autism-thimerosal connection seems weak, but there is good evidence that the MMR vaccine really affected this child. This may not be (again, I haven’t read it all yet) a good case for testing autism and vaccines because the MMR seems to have done so much damage on its own. I’ll have to read further testimony. I don’t think the case will be thrown out, if for the MMR stuff alone.

Dr. Aposhian’s work was in my opinion fairly questioned, and he will need help from immunologists and others to substantiate some of his claims.

]]> By: Dr Luther from Lutherama http://necessaryroughness.org/2007/06/cedillo-vs-hhs-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12658 Dr Luther from Lutherama Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:10:46 +0000 http://necessaryroughness.org/archives/1169#comment-12658 My heart goes out to you and your family, autism is tough. This case really should be thrown out. The causes of autism are not yet know. The discovery of the cause is hampered because autism is generally used as a catch all. It is hard to treat or research a disorder or disease when you haven't even defined the disorder. I would also note that if mercury plays a role in autism it sounds as if the vaccines are not really the cause but are contributing to a previously undiagnosed condition. The pharmaceutical companies cannot be held accountable for a previously unknown and thus unforeseen unintended consequence. If they are smart, and pharmaceutical companies generally are, they will be taking this into consideration and will look for alternatives to thimerosal. I would also be interested in knowing how many doses of the mmr she had when she contracted measels after the mmr. Because according to the CDC some people do not develop an immunity after the first dose. "Why is a second dose of MMR necessary? About 2%-5% of persons do not develop measles immunity after the first dose of vaccine. This occurs for a variety of reasons. The second dose is to provide another chance to develop measles immunity for persons who did not respond to the first dose." My heart goes out to you and your family, autism is tough.

This case really should be thrown out. The causes of autism are not yet know. The discovery of the cause is hampered because autism is generally used as a catch all. It is hard to treat or research a disorder or disease when you haven’t even defined the disorder. I would also note that if mercury plays a role in autism it sounds as if the vaccines are not really the cause but are contributing to a previously undiagnosed condition. The pharmaceutical companies cannot be held accountable for a previously unknown and thus unforeseen unintended consequence. If they are smart, and pharmaceutical companies generally are, they will be taking this into consideration and will look for alternatives to thimerosal.

I would also be interested in knowing how many doses of the mmr she had when she contracted measels after the mmr. Because according to the CDC some people do not develop an immunity after the first dose.
“Why is a second dose of MMR necessary?

About 2%-5% of persons do not develop measles immunity after the first dose of vaccine. This occurs for a variety of reasons. The second dose is to provide another chance to develop measles immunity for persons who did not respond to the first dose.”

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